X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.250.83] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 893661 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:02:27 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.250.83; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.129.102 by BAY115-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:01:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.129.102] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rusty Syndrome / oil cooler / throttle body Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:01:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010A_01C607A7.DD400110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:01:37 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 15:01:41.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[C860E370:01C607D1] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01C607A7.DD400110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, that would work but it crosses the line of too complex for me.=20 My second throttle body will probably be a small carb (chain saw type = weighing a few ounces ) but I probably will not connect fuel to it. If = dual EFI controllers, dual fuel pumps and dual fuel injectors let me = down I've probably lost ignition anyway. Then I'd have to have a backup = magneto (or something like that) then an MSD spark mixer for the plugs, = then a separate fuel pump for the carb, then.... It has to stop = somewhere and I've reached my stopping point. Tracy (asking myself why it takes $500 of stuff to hook up a $5 oil = cooler?) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Slade=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rusty Syndrome / oil cooler / throttle body >fail-safe on this item is to have a separate (small) throttle body = for heated & filtered air=20 Tracy, I've often wondered about this :=20 if you're going to install a backup TB, why not use a carb with its = own independent fuel supply? This way you'd be backing up the fuel injection system too. Could this = be made to work? John No. Although the RX-8 throttle controller will be redundant, my = strategy for fail-safe on this item is to have a separate (small) = throttle body for heated & filtered air which will allow enough power to = sustain level flight as well as taxi power. The main air inlet will be = unheated and unfiltered. Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg@itmack=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rusty Syndrome / oil cooler / throttle = body Tracy, how are you planning reversing or countering the return = spring in the throttle body. Greg Changed my mind again on oil cooler. Engine room on the RV-8 is = coming out so nice & sanitary that I don't want to clutter it up with = the oil accumulator that I bought to damp out the pressure pulses that = could kill the evap core cooler. Also getting a little more = conservative (chicken) as I get older. So Rusty, was that a fluidyne cooler on your -3? What model? = Looked real good. Finished my evaluation on the RX-8 fly-by-wire throttle body and = still plan to use it. It is not as simple to use as I had hoped and = will require a custom controller to make it work. I'll make them = available to others who want to use this part. Tracy ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01C607A7.DD400110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep, that would work but it crosses the line of too complex for=20 me. 
 
  My second throttle body will probably be a small = carb =20 (chain saw type weighing a few ounces ) but I probably will = not=20 connect fuel to it.  If dual EFI controllers, dual fuel pumps and = dual fuel=20 injectors let me down I've probably lost ignition anyway.  Then I'd = have to=20 have a backup magneto (or something like that) then an MSD spark mixer = for the=20 plugs, then a separate fuel pump for the carb, then....  It has to = stop=20 somewhere and I've reached my stopping point.
 
Tracy  (asking myself why it takes $500 of stuff to hook = up=20 a $5 oil cooler?)
----- Original Message -----
From: John=20 Slade
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, = 2005 10:47=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rusty = Syndrome /=20 oil cooler / throttle body

>fail-safe on this = item is to=20 have a separate (small) throttle body for heated & filtered air =
Tracy, I've often wondered about = this :=20
if you're going to install a = backup TB,=20 why not use a carb with its own independent fuel supply?
This way you'd be backing up the = fuel=20 injection system too. Could this be made to work?
John
 
No.  Although the RX-8 throttle controller will be = redundant, my=20 strategy for fail-safe on this item is to have a separate (small) = throttle=20 body for heated & filtered air which will allow enough power to = sustain=20 level flight as well as taxi power.  The main air inlet will be = unheated and unfiltered.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message ----- =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Monday, December 19, = 2005 10:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rusty=20 Syndrome / oil cooler / throttle body

Tracy, how are you planning reversing or = countering=20 the return spring in the throttle body.
 
Greg

Changed my mind again on oil cooler.  Engine room on = the RV-8=20 is coming out so nice & sanitary that I don't want to = clutter it up=20 with the oil accumulator that I bought to damp out the pressure = pulses=20 that could kill the evap core cooler.  Also getting a = little more=20 conservative (chicken) as I get older.
 
So Rusty, was that a fluidyne cooler on your -3?  What = model?  Looked real good.
 
Finished my evaluation on the RX-8 fly-by-wire throttle = body=20 and still plan to use it.  It is not as simple to use = as I had=20 hoped and will require a custom controller to make it = work.  I'll=20 make them available to others who want to use this part.
 
Tracy=20
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