X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 890623 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:04:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.70; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([65.2.250.50]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051221010352.LERK26439.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:03:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (really [65.2.250.50]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051221010349.FIMY18352.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.100]> for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:03:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-53558082 Message-Id: <58D348A9-75E7-42E6-95D1-9B4966F55DD3@bellsouth.net> From: Bulent Aliev Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:04:24 -0500 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) --Apple-Mail-3-53558082 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Bobby, Thanks for helping me spend my wife's money. I like this one: Part# EAR-230106ERL It is inline and has AN fittings. I'm not sure if 35 micron is sufficient for our application? Buly On Dec 20, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > Buly, > > Try this one. I have purchased it for the high pressure side. > http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=fuel > +filter&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egn > search.asp > > Cost-effective filtering for your engine. > These Aeromotive fuel filters feature an advanced flow-through > design, to allow steady fuel flow with less than a .15 psi pressure > drop. Designed for carbureted or fuel-injected engines from 200 to > 1,000 hp, they're made from 6061-T651 aluminum alloy and have a 10- > micron filtering element for reliable protection. > > Not sure about the cost effective part. > > I am also planning to use the same filters as Ed A and Egg subi > package. . on the low pressure side. I will check pressure loss > during testing and make a final decision based on head pressure, > wing dihedral and pressure loss etc. > Those filter bags that Al is mentioned look good as well but I am > not sure I could retrofit them into my RV10 tanks. I figure within > the next year their should be another 100 or so Egg's in the air so > that is a pretty good test group. > > Bobby > > ________________________________ > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Buly > Sent: Tue 12/20/2005 11:30 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection > > > > Hi Ed, > The cars take fuel an inch or so up from the bottom and avoid most of > the sediment. I have cut gas open tanks and you'll be surprised > what's left inside after few years. At least on my plane the fuel is > drained at the tank's lowest point, and I would like to have any > sediment or water to come out and be trapped in the filter/water > separator, instead of accumulating on the screen inside the tank. > I'm nervous about installing high pressure filters in the gas lines, > but that's my opinion. Just another 2 connectors that can fail? One > day If I'm proven wrong, maybe I'll install one too :) > Buly > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: > >> Buly, I'm not that knowledgeable about pumps or filters. But, I >> notice that on the automobiles there is generally a "coarse" >> filters on the inlets of the pumps in the fuel tanks and "fine" >> High Pressure filters after the pumps, but before the injectors. >> >> Obviously, you have experience that indicates problems with that >> combination - yet, wonder why we see it in the automobile? >> >> Ed A >> >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buly" >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:24 AM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection >> >> >>> Guys, I don't understand why you are installing filters AFTER the >>> pumps? I sell large SEPAR diesel fuel filters and I always >>> recommend all the filtering to be done before the pumps and out >>> of the tanks. >>> Any water or debris if it's allowed to reach the pumps, will be >>> beaten into smaller particles and may be PUSHED thru the filter, >>> or even will damage the pumps. >>> I personally suffered on my boat by frequent engine stopages in >>> the worst of times, only to discover that the manufacturer have >>> installed a screen on the pick up tube inside of the tank, where >>> can not be seen or cleaned. >>> The same manufacturer had to fix or replace number of engines only >>> because he installed the fuel pumps BEFORE the filter. Any water >>> in the fuel was beaten in to fine emulsion and pushed thru the >>> filter into the injectors. Results were rusted injectors, rusted >>> high pressure pumps and more. >>> Buly >>> >>>> Kelly Troyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ernest, >>>>> My opinion also !! There is a potential 90 psi surge >>>>> pressure from >>>>> healthy EFI pumps........I do not believe any of the cheap glass >>>>> filters >>>>> are rated that high !! >>>> >>>> >>>> I love this list. I had not thought to check the pressure >>>> rating. I just assumed that a filter could take the pressure. >>>> It's not like 90PSI is difficult to design for. But after Mark >>>> suggested it, I went looking. Sho' 'nuff, no rating. >>>> >>>> Any of you carbeurated guys want a pretty glass filter for 3/8" >>>> hose lines? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ,|"|"|, | >>>> ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta | >>>> o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org | >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ Bulent "Buly" Aliev http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll? ep=16&ext=1&groupid=164323&ck= --Apple-Mail-3-53558082 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bobby,=A0
Thanks for = helping me spend my wife's money. I like this one:=A0=A0Part#=A0EAR-230106ERL
It is inline and has AN = fittings. I'm not sure if 35 micron is sufficient for our = application?
Buly


On = Dec 20, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:

Buly,

Cost-effective filtering for = your engine.
These Aeromotive fuel filters = feature an advanced flow-through design, to allow steady fuel flow with = less than a .15 psi pressure drop. Designed for carbureted or = fuel-injected engines from 200 to 1,000 hp, they're made from 6061-T651 = aluminum alloy and have a 10-micron filtering element for reliable = protection.=A0

Not sure = about the cost effective part.=A0

I am also = planning to use the same filters as Ed A and Egg subi package. . on the = low pressure side. I will check pressure loss during testing and make a = final decision based on head pressure, wing dihedral and pressure loss = etc.=A0
Those filter bags that Al is mentioned look good as = well but I am not sure I could retrofit them into my RV10 tanks. I = figure within the next year their should be another 100 or so Egg's in = the air so that is a pretty good test group.=A0


________________________________

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Buly
Sent: = Tue 12/20/2005 11:30 AM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Fuel filter selection


Hi = Ed,
The cars take fuel an inch or so = up from the bottom and avoid most of=A0
the = sediment. I have cut gas open tanks and=A0 you'll be surprised=A0
what's = left inside after few years. At least on my plane the fuel is=A0
drained = at the tank's lowest point, and I would like to have any=A0
sediment = or water to come out and be trapped in the filter/water=A0
I'm nervous about installing = high pressure filters in the gas lines,=A0
but = that's my opinion. Just another 2 connectors that can fail? One=A0
day If = I'm proven wrong, maybe I'll install one too :)
Buly

On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Ed = Anderson wrote:

=
Buly, I'm not that = knowledgeable about pumps or filters.=A0 But, I=A0
notice = that on the automobiles there is=A0 = generally a=A0 = "coarse"=A0
filters on the inlets of the pumps in the fuel tanks = and "fine"=A0
High Pressure filters after the pumps, but before = the injectors.

Obviously, you have experience that indicates = problems with that=A0
combination - yet, wonder why we see it in the = automobile?

Ed A

.
----- = Original Message ----- From: "Buly" <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>


Guys, I don't understand why you = are installing filters AFTER the =A0
pumps? I = sell large SEPAR diesel fuel filters and I always=A0
=A0 all the = filtering to be done before the pumps and out=A0
of the = tanks.
=A0Any water or debris if it's = allowed to reach the pumps, will be =A0
beaten = into smaller particles and may be PUSHED thru the filter,=A0
or=A0 even will damage the = pumps.
I personally suffered on my boat = by frequent engine stopages in=A0
the=A0 worst of times, only to = discover that the manufacturer have=A0
=A0 a screen on = the pick up tube inside of the tank, where=A0
can not = be=A0 seen or = cleaned.
The same manufacturer had to fix = or replace number of engines only=A0
because = he installed the fuel pumps BEFORE the filter. Any water=A0
in=A0 the fuel was beaten in to = fine emulsion and pushed thru the=A0
=A0 into the = injectors. Results were rusted injectors, rusted=A0
=A0 pressure pumps = and more.
Buly

Kelly Troyer wrote:

Ernest,
=A0=A0 = My opinion also !! There is a potential 90 psi=A0 surge=A0
=A0 = from
healthy EFI pumps........I do = not believe any of the cheap glass=A0
are rated that high !!
=


I love = this list.=A0 I had not = thought to check the pressure=A0
rating. = =A0 I just assumed that a = filter could take the pressure. =A0
It's = not=A0 like 90PSI is = difficult to design for.=A0 = But after Mark=A0
=A0 it, I went = looking.=A0 Sho' 'nuff, no = rating.

Any of you carbeurated guys want a pretty glass = filter for 3/8" =A0
hose lines?




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