X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 729813 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:56:35 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.115; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from 204.127.135.57 ([204.127.135.57]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005092213554011100ijen2e>; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:55:50 +0000 Received: from [209.247.222.86] by 204.127.135.57; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:55:39 +0000 From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: Pauls Accident - analysis Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:55:39 +0000 Message-Id: <092220051355.1027.4332B7DB00049618000004032160376316019D9B040A05@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1027_1127397339_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1027_1127397339_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ed and All, I may be wrong but do not believe that the Engine Control System that Paul had supported staged (four injectors) injection.......Again not certain but I think his ECS was a "Motec"......... -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 -------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" : -------------- John, I believe the TWM throttle body that Paul got from Atkins which has injector positions comes with only two injector positions. This throttle body was available from the distributor (TWM) in either 2 or 4 injector model. I know from personal experience that using the 4 injector TW (I had one initially installed) on the 13B made a more difficult installation - because the two injectors on the "inside" required you to position the TB a fair distance from the engine block. So to avoid a lot of manifold work (extending the TB further away from the block to give room for the two inside injectors), the TB with only the two injector positions on the outside were most favored for the aircraft installation. I believe that was the only model sold by Atkins. I know of one other who also flew with only two injectors, but there may be more. Reduce fuel flow whether due to fuel selector position or defective injector or combination during take off would certainly be critical. As pointed out, when you lose one rotor you lose more than 50% of your HP due to 1. Less rpm with only one rotor ,2. drag of non-power producing rotor. Ed A From: John Slade To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Pauls Accident - analysis The analysis of the 4 canardians who examined the wreckage of Paul Conner's aircraft is now available at: http://www.cozybuilders.org/N2992_Accident_Eval/ Does anyone know if and why Paul's engine was configured with one injector per rotor? John --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1027_1127397339_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ed and All,
     I may be wrong but do not believe that the Engine Control System that Paul
had supported staged (four injectors) injection.......Again not certain but I think
his ECS was a "Motec".........
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




-------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>: --------------

John, I believe the TWM throttle body that Paul got from Atkins which has injector positions comes with only two injector positions.  This throttle body was available from the distributor (TWM) in either 2 or 4 injector model.   I know from personal experience that using the 4 injector TW (I had one initially installed) on the 13B made a more difficult installation - because the two injectors on the "inside" required you to position the TB a fair distance from the engine block.  So to avoid a lot of manifold work (extending the TB further away from the block to give room for the two inside injectors), the TB with only the two injector positions on the outside were most favored for the aircraft installation.  I believe that was the only model sold by Atkins.   I know of one other who also flew with only two injectors, but there may be more.
 
Reduce fuel flow whether due to fuel selector position   or defective injector or combination during take off would certainly be critical.  As pointed out, when you lose one rotor you lose more than 50% of your HP due to 1.  Less rpm with only one rotor ,2. drag of non-power producing rotor.
 
 
Ed A
 
 
 
From: John Slade
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:09 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Pauls Accident - analysis

The analysis of the 4 canardians who examined the wreckage of Paul Conner's aircraft is now available at:
 
 
Does anyone know if and why Paul's engine was configured with one injector per rotor?
John
 
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