X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [206.46.252.44] (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 620552 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:28:11 -0400 Received: from [63.24.121.90] ([63.24.126.178]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IKI00IFW32IKRP0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:28:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:58 -0700 From: Ken Welter Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: complete loss of coolant? In-reply-to: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1089295205==_ma============" References: --============_-1089295205==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Without nitrous as I only use the nitrous fro water takeoff and then only for about 5 seconds to climb up over the bow wake and onto the step. Ken >Ken, was with or without the nitrous oxide you use for take off? > >Ed > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ken Welter >To: Rotary motors in aircraft >Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:07 PM >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: complete loss of coolant? > > Done it did it been there. > I was reaching in my engine cowling trying to attach a vacuum line >and apparently knocked the radiator cap loose with my elbow, on >takeoff I noticed the water temp shoot up and I made a 180 and >pulled the power back and glided in for a landing. > The engine was completely toasted, much worst than loosing oil, >the side housings, rotor housings, and rotors were all toast and >this was with less than one minute at full power. > Ken > > > >>Greetings, >> > > >We've established what happens if the engine runs out of oil. What >about coolant? If the system sprang a leak, and you continued to >run at cruise power, will it eventually seize, similar to the oil >out? I can't say I've heard of that happening, but most people >probably quit before they get to that point. I'm thinking it would >seize though. > > > >The reason I'm wondering has to do with thoughts of a backup water >pump. I'll almost certainly use only the DC EWP on the single >rotor, but I'm wondering if a second one is needed. I could live >with the loss of the engine due to warping, if it didn't cause it to >seize in short order. > > > >Cheers, > >Rusty (ports, and more ports) > > --============_-1089295205==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [FlyRotary] Re: complete loss of coolant?
  Without nitrous as I only use the nitrous fro water takeoff and then only for about 5 seconds to climb up over the bow wake and onto the step.
  Ken



Ken, was with or without the nitrous oxide you use for take off?
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Welter
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: complete loss of coolant?

  Done it did it been there.
 I was reaching in my engine cowling trying to attach a vacuum line and apparently knocked the radiator cap loose with my elbow, on takeoff I noticed the water temp shoot up and I made a 180 and pulled the power back and glided in for a landing.
  The engine was completely toasted, much worst than loosing oil, the side housings, rotor housings, and rotors were all toast and this was with less than one minute at full power.
  Ken



Greetings, 
 
We've established what happens if the engine runs out of oil.   What about coolant?  If the system sprang a leak, and you continued to run at cruise power,  will it eventually seize, similar to the oil out?  I can't say I've heard of that happening, but most people probably quit before they get to that point.  I'm thinking it would seize though.  
 
The reason I'm wondering has to do with thoughts of a backup water pump.  I'll almost certainly use only the DC EWP on the single  rotor, but I'm wondering if a second one is needed.  I could live with the loss of the engine due to warping, if it didn't cause it to seize in short order. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty  (ports, and more ports) 
 

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