Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25488
From: Leon Promet <leonp@pacific.net.au>
Subject: FUEL FLOW (again!!??) was Re: [FlyRotary] fuel filter question
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:45:31 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Kevin,
 
Looks like you have found the restriction. 
 
I have to confess that I've never had problems with paper element type fuel filters.  AS someone else said (Georges I think),  the early EFI filters had banjo fittings each end that took usually an M12 or M14 banjo bolt with a 8 mm hole.  Ideally,  they need to be mounted vertically to avoid an airlock,  but should be more than adequate for your purposes.  I also have to confess that I've never had trouble with the ordinary plastic cased paper fuel filters either,  as long as they are changed regularly.  The 3/8" bore ones would be the GO.
 
I use SpeedFlow stuff (I'm sure Earl's will have similar stuff) on the race cars which take a -10 fitting.  See:
 
 
The pix show the system that feeds a 340 BHP bridgeport.  No pix of the actual filter unfortunately.  There is a Speedflow filter unit before the pump (out of view),  and there is another large EFI high pressure filter (off a Toyota I think from memory) up in the engine bay.
 
Someone also mentioned that he uses a diesel type fuel filter on his aircraft.  I've also used them on both road and race cars.  You can get small ones off a Daihatsu that will fit on a Mazda oil filter pedestal thread.  This can then be mounted on a bracket and supply clean fuel to the lift pump.  I've done this on several RX7 race & road cars (sorry no pix at the moment). 
 
You will also need some sort of water trap (gascolator?) in your fuel system that is able to be drained before each flight.  It should be the lowest point in the fuel system,  and preferably before the actual filter.  Water is not usually an issue in cars these days,  but is an ever present danger in aircraft.  LOTS of people come to grief each year because of carelessness in checking for water in the fuel system.
 
However,  apart from the water issue,  the all important thing is to concentrate on FLOW,  not pressure.  Once you do the mods,  double check your open head flow AT the carby,  and make sure it is 25% more than you need for the power of your engine (as per BSFC calcs I mentioned in a previous email). 
 
15 (US?) gal per hours doesn't seem quite enough for 150 - 160 BHP.  Let's "run the numbers":
 
1 US Gallon = 3.79 Litres (approx).  Assuming a fuel density of 0.7,  that's  2.63 Kg = * 2.2  = 5.84 Lbs of fuel.
 
So 15 US gallons / Hr = 5.84 * 15 = 87.55 Lbs per hour.
 
Assume 0.55 BSFC (Lbs / Hr / BHP) =  159.2 BHP approx.
Assume 0.60 (WOT & FULL Rich) = 146.0 BHP approx.
 
So your fuel flow is at the VERY BEST just marginal.  You have NO 25% flow margin,  so ANY restriction inside the carb,  or the SLIGHTEST clogging of a filter or a silghtly worse BSFC,  or even just running the carb "Full Rich" etc will cause your engine to run slightly lean at WOT (which is what you are currently experiencing).
 
You need a minimum of 15 * 1.25 = around 18.5 US Gallons /Hr (or preferably more) to have anywhere near some safety margin.  I don't think anyone on the list wants to hear about you having a gliding experience,  or burn your valves or melt your pistons,  or worse, ending up like poor old Paul Conner ...  As Al P Wick just said:
 
"Please investigate thoroughly and resist assumptions. Your life depends on it."
 
Cheers mate,
 
Leon
(Excess Fuel Flow capacity is always good, and even more Fuel Flow capacity is always better,  and too much Fuel Flow capacity is almost but probably never just quite enough)
----- Original Message -----
From: kevin lane
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:43 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] fuel filter question

I suspect that my engine problems stem from a design flaw, rather than a blockage.  I normally never run my engine full power, full rich, but have been while breaking in the new rings.  even leaning the engine a few notches prevents my problem, so it never arose in the past.  my auto fuel filters are on the "suck" side, between the tanks and the selector valve.  they are small, glass see-thru mesh filters.  I realize now that all the fuel passes thru a pair of like 1/8" holes from a common 1/4" passage.  I also see that the facet pump, despite pumping 15+ gals / hr with no head pressure, will only produce 1.75 lbs pressure when attached to the carb and bypassing the manual pump.
    my question - I was told not to use a fuel injection filter on a low pressure system like mine.  I would like to keep the filters where they are rather than moving them to the engine compartment, since they filter stuff ahead of my flow meter and pumps.  I like how they fit along the wing spar below my knees.  I had problems with the replaceable filters shedding fibers into the carb, which is why I changed to the mesh filters.   does anyone know what I should be using?
    I plan to do more testing this weekend if my wife will let me drive her car("no, I'm not feeling sleepy :-)" to get to the airport.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
 
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