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From: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: There's a P-38 Lightning in my backyard!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:55:18 -0700
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Thanks Mike;
    A co-worker phoned a friend of his this afternoon who is a chopper
pilot/owner and has an interest in aviation history. This guy has a copy of
the original newspaper report of the crash and will get me a copy. He also
has long wanted to try to find the crash site himself and has offered his
Bell 206 to lift the engine out if we have indeed found it. Unfortunately he
can only lift up to 1200 lbs. and it appears that the engines weighed 1500
lbs each.
    There is absolutely no chance of any airframe restoration and I'd be
extremely shocked if even the engine could ever be restored to running
condition, but it would still be cool to clean it up and put it on a
pedestal for display.
    I've already been cruising the internet looking for nice models of the
P-38 and found several. Most people don't know what the P-38 Lightning was
even if they had seen it before, so yes I'd like to build a large scale
model of it. This new house has a 24' ceiling in the living room and I think
it really could use an airplane hanging in there. I just have to convince
the wife.
    I've had several offers of help to dig it out, but I'd planned on
waiting until next spring due to my schedule right now, but I will keep you
informed of any developments.

Todd
  Yup I'm still here and Rusty is right... You BET I'll throw in two cents
worth here!
      Now, if I am thinking correctly, the Brit/Canadian version of the P-38
had Allisons with no turbos and also did not have counter-rotating props.
That was one of the mods. You had to have a nearly entirely different parts
inventory for the backwards engine. I don't think there were any backwards
Merlins, either, so that makes a lot of sense in the supply line.
      This is an amazing find, Todd. Charlie is right, too. The Navy can use
maritime law to reclaim anything in any country for an unlimited time. The
Air Force doesn't care once it is written off their inventory. Sounds like
you just bought yourself a P-38 my friend!
      This looks WAY too far gone to salvage as a restoration, though. Might
be nice to build a model and paint it up as this one appeared originally.
That way you could show visitors what that ball of metal sticking out of the
ground really is. The RCAF might be able to help you track down the records
if you contact their historical dept. Contact one of the museums up there
and they will probably jump at the chance to help track this down.
      The number on the clamp is really not very useful. That would be like
trying to identify a car by a radiator clamp number. You might look for a
number on that prop, though. That should be traceable.
      You can email me directly about this if everybody gets pissy about
this being "off topic". This is extremely cool. Mike C.

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size=3D2>Thanks=20
Mike;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>A co-worker phoned a friend of his this =
afternoon who is a=20
chopper pilot/owner and has an&nbsp;interest in&nbsp;aviation history. =
This guy=20
has a copy of the original newspaper report of the crash and will get me =
a copy.=20
He also has long wanted to try to find the crash site himself and has =
offered=20
his Bell 206 to lift the engine out if we have indeed found it. =
Unfortunately he=20
can only lift up to 1200 lbs. and it appears that the engines weighed =
1500 lbs=20
each.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>There is absolutely no chance of any airframe =
restoration=20
and I'd be extremely shocked if even the engine could ever be restored =
to=20
running condition, but it would still be cool to clean it up and put it =
on a=20
pedestal for display.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I've already been cruising the internet looking =
for nice=20
models of the P-38 and found several. Most people don't know what the =
P-38=20
Lightning was even if they had seen it before, so yes I'd like to build =
a large=20
scale model of it. This new house has a 24' ceiling in the living room =
and I=20
think it really could use an airplane hanging in there. I just have to =
convince=20
the wife.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I've had several offers of help to dig it out, =
but I'd=20
planned on waiting until next spring due to my schedule right now, but I =
will=20
keep you informed of any developments.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D495033506-27072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Todd</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yup I'm still here and Rusty&nbsp;is right... You =
BET I'll=20
  throw in two cents worth here!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, if I am thinking =
correctly, the=20
  Brit/Canadian version of the P-38 had Allisons with no turbos and also =
did not=20
  have counter-rotating props. That was one of the mods. You had to have =
a=20
  nearly entirely different parts inventory for the backwards engine. I =
don't=20
  think there were any backwards Merlins, either, so that makes a lot of =
sense=20
  in the supply line.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is an amazing find, Todd. =
Charlie is=20
  right, too. The Navy can use maritime law to reclaim anything in any =
country=20
  for an unlimited time. The Air Force doesn't care once it is written =
off their=20
  inventory. Sounds like you just bought yourself a P-38 my =
friend!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This looks WAY too far gone to =
salvage as=20
  a restoration, though. Might be nice to build a model and paint it up =
as this=20
  one appeared originally. That way you could show visitors what that =
ball of=20
  metal sticking out of the ground really is. The RCAF might be able to =
help you=20
  track down the records if you contact their historical dept. Contact =
one of=20
  the museums up there and they will probably jump at the chance to help =
track=20
  this down.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The number on the clamp is =
really not=20
  very useful. That would be like trying to identify a car by a radiator =
clamp=20
  number. You might look for a number on that prop, though. That should =
be=20
  traceable.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You can email me directly about =

  this&nbsp;if everybody gets pissy about this being "off topic". This =
is=20
  extremely cool.&nbsp;Mike C.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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