Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25397
From: Leon Promet <leonp@pacific.net.au>
Subject: To Kelly Re: [FlyRotary] Mazda Factory O rings vs TES O rings
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:50:58 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Kelly,
 
Thanks for the reply.  So how is it that you know that TES O rings will quote:
 
"take more heat and pressure" unquote.
 
What sort of heat??  What sort of pressure??  How do you know.  Who told you??
 
Has anybody really done some scientific testing where they have got two identical motors side by side,  run them dry,  and the compared the damage.  As I said previously,  give your Wankel a decent "cook"  and you warp the rotor housings.  They are then "thow-aways".
 
I'm also curious as to just when and why would you be considering rebuilding your engine (so you can re-use the TES O rings). seeing that if an engine rebuild is done peroperly in the first place,  they seem to last for up to 20 years and 500,000 km if looked after (regular oil changes,  clean coolant with corrosion inhibitor,  and a well maintained air filter).
 
There are basically only three things that will kill a rotary:
 
1.  Serious Overheating (loss of coolant,  drop a fan belt,  water pump failure etc)
2.  Running LOW or right out of oil (blown oil hose,  filter cannister etc or just plain carelessness of the operator)
3.   Swallowing something solid and obdurate (like a nut or a washer or a rock),  or being fed dusty air (if you are silly enough not to run an aircleaner).
 
I'd be interested on your take.  Anyone else with some experience based reasons ??
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Mazda Factory O rings vs TES O rings

Leon and all,
      For my part  I just like the fact that the TES seals will take more heat
and pressure and reportedly are reusable if undamaged.........Anything
I can do economically to upgrade my 13B to extend its life for use at
power levels (75 to 100 percent) it was not probably not designed for
I am willing to do........After all it is our butts we are putting in these
airplanes........IMHO.........That being said I do appreciate the opinions
of all in the group !!
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




-------------- Original message from "Leon Promet" <leonp@pacific.net.au>: --------------

Hey Guys,
 
Enough already!  I'm with Dave on this TES O ring business,  but I'm even MORE radical ...   
 
If the factory O rings were good enough to win Le Mans 24 Hr,  it would seem that they SHOULD be good enough for our purposes.  Moreover,  they seem to last 20 odd years and over 500,000 km in cars that are well looked after and serviced regularly and the cooling systems kept clean. 
 
The only time I've EVER seen Factory O rings fail (since the mid '70s) is if the engine has been "cooked",  (and then the rotor housings are warped),  or the rotor housings have corroded (due to lack of a regular coolant changes),  and in both these failure modes,  the rotor housings are throw-aways anyhow.  Not the O ring's fault that the engine leaks water - OIF (Operator Induced Failure).
 
So seriously,  can someone PLEASE tell me WHY you all want to use TES O rings instead of the factory ones?? Apart from price,  (which seems to be an issue with some),  and the fact that the big bearded guy at that "other" place says you should - so why don't you guys just ask HIM for the relevant part # - he knows EVERYTHING).
 
Still, for the life of me,  I just can't see what technical advantages there are (apart from busting the O ring grooves if you happen to get the sizing wrong).  I'm afraid that it has totally escaped me.
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
 
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