Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #19514
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]RX8 P-Port
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:35:51 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ken,
It has already been done. The local Rotary specialist has suggested a slight skim off the rotor sides  otherwise they bind-up with High RPM (over what we are seeing), but I will get mine done anyway.
 
The biggest problem I see is that the side compression seals are a little short compared to the RX8 - however I'm yet to see it physically. It may be that the racing crowd want a really tight compression seal - the normal side seals aren't that close.
 
There is an extra inside compression ( metal) seal and the specialist felt that this was to minimize and blow-by of the gappy side seals - that will do me.
 
There are 3 sizes of side seals to choose from, but you can't use Rx7 seals - so I believe. Some have overcome this by using oversized apex corner seals.
 
Your suggestion on apex seals is in line with the local specialist.
I will check those measurement for you, but I would suggest that these chaps racing have 'been there and done that' and are using them, so they do 'fit the hole'!
George (down under)
Hi George,
I don't think we need to worry about apex seals in a non-turbo motor.  Tracy's or Hurley's 2mm seals will never break in a NA motor since there is no problem with detonation.  I just took some measurements of a '88 13b rotor:  width measurements around the outside of the rotor showed 3.136 - 3.139 inches.  Inside measurements from the gear face to the opposite side of the rotor (measured inside the bearing shell) was 3.144 to 3.145 inches.  I do not have micrometers large enough to measure from an apex seal groove to the opposite curved face of the rotor.  I don't have CAD capability so I can't send a drawing; can someone draw this up for us???  We need to compare these measurements to a RX8 rotor to see if the RX8 rotor will fit in the 'hole' of the earlier 13b's.

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721
 
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Ken,
That's very true, and what I plan on doing for the single, do you think it's worth going to 3mm for a non - turbo single rotor?
 
The RX8 rotors are dirt cheap ( compared to new RX8 rotors) What dimensions do you want measured - I will do it for you!
George ( down under)
I don't see the need for a 'bridged' intake port on the RX8 engine.  The RX8 also uses a 2mm apex seal; I think we can grind the RX8 rotor apex seal groove to the same depth as the older rotors then use Tracy's or Hurley's 2mm spex seals in a peripheral ported Renesis.  You should be also be able to use the lighter 8.7 lb RX8 rotors in the  older engines if you get the rotating assembly balanced.  Wish I had a RX8 rotor so I could measure the critical dimensions (but not bad enough to buy one!(grin)).

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721
 
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