Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 607125 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:12:03 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristl@cisco.com Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2005 11:24:48 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from echristl-linux.cisco.com (echristl-linux.cisco.com [172.18.179.151]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0EGBUW0008608 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EWP Deprogramming Therapy was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Welcome to the Club From: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105719090.12865.44.camel@echristl-linux.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-1) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 10:44, Jerry Hey wrote: > Believe me when I say that until TODAY I thought the EWP was dead in > the water. That makes me about 2 years behind. All I knew was what I > read on ACRE. (That is a scary sentence.) I checked EWP in the > archives and read about three hours worth of messages going back to > around Oct. 2002. If I had ten more hours, I could read them all. > And I will read them as soon as I can. In the meantime, is anyone > interested in briefly bringing me up to date. Thanks, Jerry Jerry, I was looking at the flow numbers that Todd provided a while back, and comparing them with the numbers that Davie's Craig provided to me. Todd said that he cleaned up the flow in his system as much as he could manage, and it looked like he did a good job. >From the best I could tell, Todd only has about 9psi of head pressure. The calculations I've seen coming from the ACRE list are all based on an assumption of 30psi. Todd was getting sufficient flow on only the battery and with cold well water. In the air the alternator is usually operating, driving up the system bus voltage. And if the water isn't getting warm, you have much bigger problems. Warm water is less viscous and easier to pump than cold water. As the EWP is somewhat sensitive to input voltage and all pumps are responsive to fluid viscosity, he'd be getting more actual flow under normal circumstances than from what he test. The calculations from the ACRE list that I've seen are also predicated on 30gpm flow. 30gpm is a nice safe number, but is not an absolute necessity. The number can easily drop IF you're willing to design for a higher temperature drop across the radiator. In fact, for the same amount of radiator and heat removal, a lower flow rate WILL result in a higher temp drop up to the point where you get steam in and water out 8*) It's just like Leon said earlier, if you lock yourself down to the wrong assumption, the resulting logic and calculations arent' worth the electronics they're posted to the list with.