Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #12854
From: Todd Bartrim <haywire@telus.net>
Subject: EWP in production cars
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:01:10 -0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft (E-mail) <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
    I did a little research today on the use of the EWP in production cars. I found that BMW has several available with a mechanical pump sized for high rpm, hiway loads, but a secondary EWP, that takes care of the load at low idle rpm. However new for this year is a model that has a new 6 cyl engine with only an EWP (see attached pic, nice looking unit).
    I also found the Dana is building an intelligent cooling system that using an EWP that looks promising. see  http://www.dana.com/technology/intelligentcooling.shtm  The article is worth reading and has some good ideas. They also have an intelligent oiling system under design using an electric oil pump.
    However what I mostly found was the EWP was featured as a benefit of the change to 42 volt systems. BMW was hoping to release a 42 volt model this year, however it has been delayed till next year. Renault is also close. This has been discussed over past years, but now there is much new info published as it nears to reality. By default the Germans seem to have set the standards on this but all the European automakers seem to be working hard on it. US automakers are dragging their feet on this as they claim the suppliers are not ready, but the suppliers are waiting for firm commitments from the automakers. I was just about to comment on the lack of Japanese movement on this as well, when I tried a search using "Toyota, 42 volts" and came up with this interesting page  http://www.sae.org/42volt/faq/     which indicates that Toyota already produces a Hybrid using 42 volts, but I'm not sure if this really counts.
    What does this have to do with EWP's? Well it appears that with most modern production cars being loaded down with so many electronic gadgets there just isn't much capacity left for powering items that can still be mechanically driven. What would be a better selling feature, an electric water pump or a DVD entertainment system to keep the kids quite, along with nice heated seats and power everything. Considering that the majority of consumers don't have a clue about their engines, its a safe bet that they wouldn't chose the EWP. Most people just want to drive a trouble free, comfortable, practical, stylish vehicle, that gets good mileage. It's the last one that will bring about the EWP.
    As the automakers strive to improve the mileage, they will look to improve the efficiency in any little ways they can. In articles on 42 volt systems the electric water pump is mentioned as "improved efficiency and longer service life" along with many other items to allow the removal of all mechanically driven accessories. A combined starter/alternator would be crankshaft mounted, to provide a trouble free and efficient means to produce the 42 volts, with all accessories being electrically powered including power steering pumps, A/C compressors and even the valve train would be eliminated with the use of electronically actuated valves (BMW is working on this). Even electric supercharging is proposed.
    So as Thomas asked why we don't see EWP's in production cars, in a half dozen or so years you may not be able to buy a new vehicle without one. In many of our applications we have sufficient electrical capacity to supply the load of an EWP, so it can be a reality now, however as the automakers begin to produce 42 volt vehicles and the suppliers begin to catch up, we will have many more options available to us. When I made the decision to use an EWP, there was little info available and the only ones available were the DC pump from Australia and the Meziere pump. There was little known about the Meziere pump and it's weight cost and lack of available flow controller did little to interest me, however a former list member (Leon) from Oz had personal experience with the Davies Craig pump and heartedly endorsed it. It's weight (2lbs) cost and the flow controller made it an easy choice. I had a few initial issues with the pump that are fully covered in the archives, but I am very happy with it now. However as more is known about the Meziere pump and others come onto the market, I encourage use and testing of these. But none appears to come close to the DC pump in weight. I was able to replace 12lbs of mechanical water pump with a 2lb EWP then I even put in a backup pump for a 4lb total. This sure made it allot easier to swallow the 40lb weight of the turbo. Flexibility of installation was another huge bonus.
    Speaking of turbos, most here are concerned with the EWP cooling an NA engine, but I'm using it to cool a turbo engine which puts out additional heat. It also has the added benefit of allowing me to run the coolant through the turbo after shutdown.
    The statement is continually made that the EWP won't work in an aircraft, but mine has been working fine. This is not to say that there is no room for improvement or that is the answer for everybody's installation, but it was the answer for me and I look forward to options that will be brought to us in the near future.
 
Todd Bartrim    (staking my claim on purple)(is this font big enough?)(hey arn't you supposed to have good enough eyesight for the medical anyways?)(I gotta go to bed)
 
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