Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #12803
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Rusty's Engine Mount (and Ed's too)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:32:30 -0600
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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OK, now that's just not fair.  We "turbo" guys still are not catching you as it is...  I guess it's time to consider the C-drive as well.  Rusty, how did your engine mount end up?  Did you put in the shims, or is your mount askew in the wrong directing?  Ed, same question. 
 
I was hoping you meant that you were going to abandon the turbo, but having a C drive AND a turbo would certainly be interesting.   
 
My mount is still offset to the left (wrong direction).  I could shim it to straight, but not to a right offset.  After flying it a while, and talking to Tracy (no offset in his mount), I'm leaning toward leaving mine like it is.  Tracy's description of rudder usage on takeoff is the same as mine, so the best I can do is lessen the problem a little.  In cruise, it really doesn't take much of a trim tab to take out all the yaw, and my feeling is that this isn't any more than many RV's have anyway.  In other words, I'm talking myself into believing that the only time the offset is causing me a problem is during takeoff, and climb. 
 
Keep in mind though that this is a significant issue.  I can't use full throttle until I get a fair amount of airspeed to make the rudder effective.  Even then, it's a handful (or should I say legful).  The real question is how much of the problem is from the wrong offset, and how much is just from the torque on that long prop.  It could be that no amount of correct offset would make up for putting that much power/prop on an RV-3.
 
Now that you are turning in the 'right' direction, you had the option of a metal prop.  Did any of you strongly consider that option? 
 
No, I didn't consider it, but that's mostly because I'm stupid.  I'm still kicking myself for not realizing that it was an option, even for the months that I waited for the new prop to be made.  Fortunately, now that I have thought about it, I wouldn't consider it for my plane.  The prop I had on the RV-8 was a Sensenich 72" x 87", which would be pretty good for the current engine.  Unfortunately, it weighed 40 pounds.  The current monster prop weighs about 15 pounds.  Part of that weight was a spacer that came with the prop, which I'm guessing weighed about 7 lbs.   
 
I'm still waiting on parts to install the TO4.  I'm starting to think that a TO4 with the C-drive might make some serious power (spray bars here I come).  I am thinking that a shorter prop may not produce as much p-factor and allow me to accept my left engine offset. 
 
Thoughts? 
 
Since you asked... :-)    
 
If you're determined to stay with a turbo, I believe I'd suggest that you skip the C drive for now.  You can get any amount of power you want from the turbo, without the hassle and expense of a new drive, and prop.  You also won't have the problems of an incorrectly offset mount.  Worst case, you add the C drive later, if you prove you "need" it. 
 
To me, the real benefit of the C drive is being able to optimize the NA engine power.   I think it's far safer to get 200 hp from a NA engine at 7000+ rpm, than to get it from a turbo engine at any rpm.   You could always approach this from another angle, which would be to install the drive first, and see if you can live without the turbo.   
 
Now I bet you're sorry you asked :-)
 
Rusty (spending my day off with State Farm, and the dentist)
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