Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: flyrotary Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b1) with ESMTP id 2082256 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:10:18 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 68.7.218.110 Received: from BigAl ([68.7.218.110]) by cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:09:41 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Al Gietzen" X-Original-To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Thick or Thin? The debate continues X-Original-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:10:18 -0800 Organization: ALVentures X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c2efc4$61516d30$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Original-Return-Path: alventures@email.msn.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 16:09:41.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[47E51860:01C2EFC4] Perhaps the reason there is such diversity of opinion on this issue is because of the complexity of making an optimum determination; there are a large number of variables. To mention a few; flow rates, tube thickness, tube wall thickness, fin density, thickness and design, air speed, inlet diffuser design, blah, blah . . . So there is a tendency to make qualitative and intuitive judgments which ignore all but a few. The criteria are size, weight and drag. The Nascar and other racing folks have done a lot of optimizing that applies for us. I think there is good reason why most the race radiator vendors make rad cores in the 2 - 3.5" thick range. I still have the plots from some fairly extensive studies that Fred Moreno posted on the "other" list a couple of years ago. Using values for the rad design that are "typical"; his studies show a fairly broad optimum for core thickness between about 2.5 and 3.5". Perhaps one factor that Tracy's argument may have slighted in the thicker cores is the decreasing efficiency of heat transfer as the temp difference between surface and air temp gets lower going through the rad. Thicker may be fine if the fin density is a bit lower the fins are a bit thicker. It's difficult to say that there is one right way because each installation is different; so it may be best to go with the body of evidence that says somewhere in the range of 2 - 3.5 inches. One thing is for sure; you have to have the pressure recovery needed to overcome the pressure drop in the core. So if you are going to hang the radiator out in the free stream air, it better be very thin. If you have an effective diffuser design the slows the air by a factor of 4 - 5 then be happy with your 3" thick core. If you want to minimize drag on the plane, have an outlet duct that efficiently accelerates the air back to an area of about 1.5 - 1.8 times the inlet area. FWIW; Al Gietzen